2024 Election Thread

[MGuy]

Free depends on if you think the Israeli lobbying is going to intensify or not if a congressperson actively shows that they mean to oppose them. The standard Dem perceives them as a legitimate threat regardless of how other people may measure both their ability to get what they want or the efforts they've already taken to undermine Biden and the Dems. So while it's likely that someone in Harris's position could show once and for all that the effectiveness of Israeli lobbying efforts isn't as scary as they would like everyone to believe, Dems are cowards. It would even be more freeing for down ticket Dems to not have to pledge fealty to a foreign power in my eyes.

The Dem leadership however don't see it that way so to them there would be a cost. Biden for his part has proven to be harder to control. No one can legitimately tell him what to do and this whole fiasco has shown that there's a shit show going on under the hood of this thing. Boxing him up and keeping him quiet likely isn't on the table.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Boxing him up and keeping him quiet likely isn't on the table.

They already did it for years. They ran one and a half presidential campaigns while doing it. They were doing it as recently as a two weeks ago.

They broke presidential records with how much they kept him in the basement.

[MGuy]

That as his team's decision for that time. A team that apparently shares his bitterness at being forced to remove his corpse from the Dem ticket. The money only demanded that he stepped down. Not that he shut himself up. He also is a Zionist who loves enthusiastically supporting the genocide whenever he's allowed to publicly speak on it.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

You are realm of the possibling this. Yes. It is clear people somewhere in the mess that is the democrats who can make this decision are making THIS decision, that didn't make it the only decision, even within the frame work of their own imagined self limitations, that doesn't stop it from being the wrong decision, even by their own mediocre objectives.

Biden is proven to be hidable in a basement. Kamala is proven to be able to do similar and also just not make public statements in favor of genocide. They have done this, they could do this, they are choosing not to do this, these are the wrong choices, NOT the only possible choices.

That statement. How many votes do you think it won? Guaranteed it lost some, possible not many, but I think I can fairly confidently say it won Kamala ZERO new voters.

Was making that statement her only possible course of action? No, there were other decisions, other empty statements even. She, her team and whichever Democrat inner illuminati subsect of the week any of us want to blame for doing this stuff, made the wrong decision and if they keep making decisions in this way things will go badly.

[MGuy]

I don't think I'm operating in realm of the possible. I believe I'm thinking about what Dems have done, what they seem to be doing, and then basing my guesses about what the quiet parts are based off of that. When I say hiding Biden doesn't seem to be on the table it isn't a matter to me of can [they do it. It's a matter of do I believe they are willing to do it. When I say I think that they fear israeli lobbying it really doesn't matter what the actually reality of the effectiveness of the israeli lobby is or what I think they could do. What I'm thinking of is how I believe they perceive what's going on. As it happens I believe they are incompetent and the Harris team has a history of obvious failures. So I predict they will continue to fail by misreading the situation.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

You are arguing with me about (secret inner thought) motivation when I'm talking about real consequences.

[MGuy]

You made a claim about me being on some realm of the possible shit. I corrected that. I am not constantly seeking to argue about every word you type just so you can joust with me. If you disagree about their motivations I welcome a counter argument. Otherwise I agree they are fucking up so I'm not going to argue with you about the consequences of their fuck up just to have something to argue about

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Otherwise I agree they are fucking up so I'm not going to argue with you about the consequences of their fuck up just to have something to argue about

You are SO keen to quibble with me over nonsense you are right there STILL making up strawmen where I want you to disagree with me.

You have issues.

[MGuy]

You are arguing with me about (secret inner thought) motivation when I'm talking about real consequences.

Tough for me to make up a thing you're telling me I'm trying to do when I'm not.

[deaddmwalking]

I'm quiet for a page and suddenly they're treating MGuy like he's me.

[MGuy]

"They" being NPP alone doing things NPP has done as long as they've been here. You really don't read/remember what people actually say specifically about you it seems.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

I'm quiet for a page and suddenly they're treating MGuy like he's me.

I'm going to agree with MGuy about me disagreeing with MGuy. I dislike him based largely on personality. His ideas and the way he expresses them are at worst mediocre and often fine.

You, its your ideas, your methodology, your wild intellectual dishonesty. You are thought cancer. MGuy just rubs me the wrong way.

[Omegonthesane]

I don't think that we can conclude from "they put Biden in a box before" that they can definitely put him in a box now. It's likely easier to put someone in a box if they are going along with it. The younger more lucid Biden from the dIsTaNt pAsT of 2016 may well have legitimately been less intransigent than the senile zombie Biden currently in the White House and until quite recently on the Democrat ticket, and even if the Dems were thinking clearly and taking the best possible option at any time (which they obviously fucking aren't, to be clear) they might well legitimately lack the ability to put Biden in a box if he really doesn't want to climb into the box himself.

(leaving aside the possibility that he breathes his last and then is nailed into a box, possibly with a stake through his heart and a few wreaths of garlic just in case)

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Even while in the basement when trundled out for the rare few events they couldn't avoid Biden spoke about how "they" didn't want him to keep talking and strongly implied he was against the basement strategy. He is also by all reports, notoriously incredibly arrogant, self assured and over confident the description is of someone who would not take well to the basement strategy and the limited glimpses we had suggested as much. He never wanted to be in that basement.

They probably told him NATO was in there.

[deaddmwalking]

Pending official announcement at this point, but news outlets are reporting that Tim Walz of Minnesota will be Harris's VP pick.

[Kaelik]

Glad she didn't pick the guy who covered up for a friend's son who murdered his wife and wrote that all Palestinians are warrior gened monsters that must be exterminated and instead picked the guy who votes for Israel just like every other Democrat and sent the national guard to break up protests in 2020.

[PseudoStupidity]

Walz was the better choice, but he's just a signal that the Kamala administration will basically be the same thing as the Biden administration. Not a surprise, but hey her other favorite guy was a total psycho so I guess her picking the best option she gave herself is good? Still wish she picked somebody who's against genocide.

[Kaelik]

LMAO

Walz scheduled a meeting with Palestinian Americans whose family members were killed be Israeli's genocide and then when they showed up to the meeting they talked to his staff and there were told "oh meeting's off, we didn't know you were going to advocate for policy changes, we thought you were going to tell us how sad you were and we were going to say 'we see you, we hear you, we will kill the rest of your family' and then send you home."

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/minnesot ... estinians/

[MGuy]

Cowardly stuff. Can't even act on these small stake policy changes. They are absolutely afraid of doing anything about Israel. The actual manifestation of all the concern trolling of Trump being a Putin puppet actually enacted by an actual genocidal regime.

[Kaelik]

Harris today said that Israel has a right to kill every Palestinian in the world and fuck them all. Also she will work towards a ceasefire with the guy who keeps sabotaging them all in bad faith.

Great to know that in 6 fucking months the new president will continue to have the exact same policies as the current one.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

If China and Russia had an evil plan of making the USA look crazy, weak and evil so as to advance the agenda of BRICS and a generally multipolar world diplomacy/economy and had placed evil sleeper agent Manchurian candidates in charge of the United States government...

...what could they possibly even do that would be any different to the current administration?

[morgan13]

If China and Russia had an evil plan of making the USA look crazy, weak and evil so as to advance the agenda of BRICS and a generally multipolar world diplomacy/economy and had placed evil sleeper agent Manchurian candidates in charge of the United States government...

...what could they possibly even do that would be any different to the current administration?

Discourage some of the BRICS members to make decisions, that way they will stagnate and not grow. If they fail at that then oh well..

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Whut.

I think I expect more relevance and coherence from AI Chatbots, so I don't know what to call that response.

[Omegonthesane]

well, morgan13 is all but confirmed to be an actual literal GPT chatbot, between not getting that I didn't make up the Solomon Berg storyline on Project Camelot anad repharsing my statement of "I expected the dems to act with an urgency that matched their rhetoric because gods I was naive" but apparently that isn't against the rules. Still impressive that they apparently answered a different question and also answered it incoherently though.

[PseudoStupidity]

Probably the strongest evidence of morgan13 being a bot is that it gets called a bot and just keeps right on posting. It's an interesting addition to the Den though?

I imagine forum posting is actually really hard for bots to do. It needs to parse a conversation and try to write something relevant, and that can't be easy when the topic changes so much. Fuck, actual human beings have a hard time with it.